Most of us say we want peace. Then the second we actually touch it, some part of us starts looking for a problem.

Brea Segger and I talk about why real transformation doesn’t always need a breakdown, a breakthrough, or a giant emotional release. We get into the exhaustion that comes from trying to be someone you’re not, why loneliness can exist even when you’re surrounded by people, and what happens when you stop looking outside yourself for somebody to fix you.

We also talk about alcohol and distraction, our relationship with nature, the differences Brea sees in how men and women process change, and why twenty minutes of doing absolutely nothing might tell you more about yourself than another year of searching for answers.

Brea and I are leading Deep Waters together in Nosara, Costa Rica this November.

Learn more Deep Waters

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👉 Men, come train with us in The UNcivilized Nation

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